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It is a sin for men not to forgive another. If you do not forgive the person
who has wronged you, then you are committing a greater sin than they are. You are
required to forgive one another but for the lord, he may forgive who he pleases to
forgive. -MP (LDS)
You're mangling your own doctrine. For arguments sake, let's say you're right
and God is going to forgive the unrepentant, then, by golly, all your hell-bound
Mormons are saved!
No, I think you'll agree that before Christ can offer His saving grace on behalf
of a sinner they must first accept Him and believe in Him.
And, if they TRULY believe in Him, their behavior will reflect that inward
commitment; i.e., they will repent. -AH (LDS)
In order to answer this question one must have a good understanding of
judgment, repentance and forgiveness.
God has an obligation by his own words to judge mankind so that no unclean
thing may enter into heaven. We must follow those laws, ordinances, and
commandments that God has set before us as well as following the Lord's
judgment. (Lev 18:4) It is all too clear that judgment is God's and not man's to
perform. We are to do no unrighteousness in judgment of our fellow man. (Lev
19:15-18) We know that each man's judgment comes from the Lord. (Prov 29:26)
We also know that there is a real danger when performing judgment against our
fellow man for if you judge your fellow man you will be judged by the same
measure. (Matt 7:1-2) The Lord's Prayer and explanation sums up forgiveness and
judgment especially on judgment of man by man. You will be forgiven if you
forgive those who trespass and debt against you. (Matt 6:9-15) It does not
matter if the offending party has repented or not as judgment is not for man
against man. We are to forgive. This however does not negate repentance for
those who humble themselves before the Lord in repentance shall have salvation.
(2 Cor 7:8-10) Those who don't repent will parish. (Luke 13:5) We must repent
of our sins before God. God has made it abundantly clear that judgment belongs
to him and that we are to forgive our fellow man. In conclusion while this may
be a hard task for us as mankind to perform I see no contradiction between the
statements made by Spencer W. Kimball concerning repentance and forgiveness.
Does this make man above God? No as we have not learned how to righteously,
lovingly judge like God. -ER (LDS)
God is ABLE to forgive anyone He chooses to forgive. We do not have the right
to presume to decide who God will forgive and who He will not; nor do we have any
way of knowing the heart of another as God does. We are required to forgive others
because we DO NOT KNOW everything about them--their background, the state of their
heart, etc. To refuse forgiveness cancers our own soul and prevents us from becoming
Christ-like individuals. -L (LDS)
Man is not above God, just as no one is above the law. It is
God's duty to see that His people are watched over. The forgiveness of man
plays no part in salvation, or healing. In the end, it is our duty to seek
forgiveness from Him only.
The LDS Church has a weird and perverted way of making man the top
prioritizer in all things regarding forgiveness, and repentance. No body
cares if your parent's or church forgave your sins, as long as you know God
and Jesus Christ forgive you.
I believe this, as I left the LDS Church. They are not responsible for my
sins. Only I can be held to that, and in the end He will judge me, not man. -AD (non-LDS)
Repentance, turning around, having a new attitude and turning away from our
sinful ways is needed if we are to truely come to Christ and receive His forgiveness.
Peter said "Repent...for the forgiveness of your sins..." (Acts 2:38). In the Lords
prayer we ask God to forgive us of our sins AS we forgive others. Once we are
forgiven we should have a forgiving attitude toward others recognizing that we
are only forgiven by God's grace.
As far as man being able to forgive the unrepentant, this is possible only
because we are not God, not perfect,and not working with the same set of rules.
Our forgiveness of others has nothing to do with their eternal destiny but only
affects our human relationships and shows that God is working within us by giving
us a forgiving attitude. Along with being able to forgive we must witness to that
sinning person about eternal consequences of his continuing in sin and bring him
to repentance also. Otherwise our forgiveness means nothing except a better relationship
among humans in this life and that person will ultimately face judgement. Being forgiving
is a mark of being a Christian and demonstrates our relationship with Christ. I believe
only God can forgive sins eternally and that only by recognizing Christ and His Atonement
will He. "...without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." (Heb. 9:22) -GP (non-LDS)
spencer kimball, i am afraid to say, truly does not know the true jesus and does not
come close to understanding forgiveness. how can forgiveness be a miracle if we need to
do a list of things to be forgiven? when jesus told people your sins are forgiven he never
said first do this list of things then you will be forgiven. if jesus is a prophet then read
D and C 1:14: "and the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the lord neither
the voice of his servants neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles shall
be cut off from among the people."
well it appears the mormons and mr kimball are not listening to the prophet. also titus
1:2 says god cannot lie. romans 3:10 says there is not one righteous. jeremiah 17:9 says
the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. with this in mind we all
need to repent. in acts 16:30-31 the jailer says "what must i do to be saved?" paul says
believe on the lord jesus christ--no list of things added--and you cannot be saved unless
you repent. well we repent by asking forgiveness first then believe. read matthew 18:21-35.
this is god's instructions on forgiveness. mark 10:27 and luke 1:37 both say that nothing
with god is impossible. so how is it god can say nothing is impossible with him, but mr
kimball says it is impossible for god to forgive? is he wrong or did god, who cannot lie,
lie? for further talks write me at [email protected] and i will share with you about
god's forgiveness without bondage attached. -RB (non-LDS)
It is apparent Spencer Kimball has no clue about the real Jesus or what He taught.
Kimball and the Mormon church both teach that there are some sins Christ's blood cannot
cleanse. Have they never read 1 John 1:9? It says, "If we confess our sins, HE is
faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
The "HE" is God. God does not give a list of things we need to do first in order to be
forgiven. God does not say ALL sin except murder. This shows the BONDAGE the poor
Mormon is in. Doctrine and Covenants 58:42 says, "He who has repented of his sins,
the same is forgiven and I, the LORD, remember them no more." Here God says He will
remember the former sins no more. Yet, in Doctrine and Covenants 82:7, the LORD says,
"Unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the LORD your God."
God just said, "I will remember the sins no more." Then He says, "They will return."
Did he truly forgive the sins or not? On page 170 of "Miracle of Forgiveness" Spencer
Kimball says, "Each previously forgiven sin is added to the new one and the whole gets
to be a heavy load." It would appear as if the Mormon truly can never be forgiven and
has no hope. How sad that they serve a false christ and have no true assurance of
salvation! Jesus says in Mark 3:28, "All sin will be forgiven except blasphemy against
the Holy Ghost." This includes murder. The blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is the rejection
of Jesus Christ as the sole way to the Father and entrance into heaven. I believe Spencer
Kimball, unless he repents, will not find forgiveness. -SB (non-LDS)
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