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Question 32


Doctrine and Covenants 42:18 says, "…he that kills shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come."

In that vein, Joseph Fielding Smith taught, "Murderers Denied Vicarious Ordinances…we do not have the privilege of performing the ordinances for murderers who shed innocent blood, nor for those who take their own lives…If we find in our record one of this kind, we should pass him by and not attempt to do the work for him…" (Doctrines of Salvation 2:192)

Given these teachings from LDS scripture and a latter-day prophet, what is the hopeful outcome for Latter-day Saints performing vicarious temple ordinances on behalf of people such as Adolf Hitler and Reinhard Heydrich (as mentioned in the Salt Lake Tribune 10/9/99)?


i feel sorry for the mormons and the bondage they are under. there is really no hopeful outcome for latter-day saints through vicarious temple ordinances.

according to what they teach, there is no hope for the person who commits murder (according to mormon doctrine, doctrines of salvation, miracle of forgiveness and teachings of the prophet). yet i wonder--have the mormons ever given any thought to what happened to j smith? in D and C 135:4 he says his conscience is void of offence towards god and all men, and he says "i shall die innocent." yet in history of the church 7:102-103 it says j smith killed 2 people. please explain how that is dying innocent and with out offence to god or man.

please also explain where joseph went if a murderer cannot be forgiven? the bible teaches us god took moses home, yet he killed a man in cold blood in exodus. king david had bathsheba's husband murdered so he could have her, yet god said in acts 13:22 "david is a man after my own heart." 1st john 1:9 says "if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." the "he" is god. murder falls under both sin and unrighteousness. titus 1:2 says god cannot lie; therefore there is only bondage according to mormonism.

1st peter 3:15 tells us to give every man an answer for the hope that lies within us. i ask where or what is that hope within mormonism if there is no salvation for certain people, no forgiveness for certain sins? for the reason for the hope that lies within *me*, reach me at [email protected] let me help remove the heavy burden through the truth of JESUS. -RB (non-LDS)